{"id":1758,"date":"2024-03-22T10:25:24","date_gmt":"2024-03-22T10:25:24","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/1961.org.uk\/testit\/?p=1758"},"modified":"2024-03-22T16:18:58","modified_gmt":"2024-03-22T16:18:58","slug":"hybrid-battery-bank-vsdr-lithium-controller-qa","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/1961.org.uk\/testit\/?p=1758","title":{"rendered":"Hybrid Battery Bank &#8211; VSDR Lithium Controller Q&#038;A"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">VSDR Lithium Controller Q&amp;A<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\" style=\"font-style:italic;font-weight:400\">The VSDR Lithium Controller is discussed in detail in this post &#8211; <a href=\"https:\/\/1961.org.uk\/testit\/posts\/hybrid-battery-bank-vsdr-lithium-controller\/\" data-type=\"link\" data-id=\"https:\/\/1961.org.uk\/testit\/posts\/hybrid-battery-bank-vsdr-lithium-controller\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">VSDR Lithium Controller<\/a> &#8211; but I get some common questions on it so I thought it would be worth having a specific Question and Answer\/FAQ post on its own to help folk understand some of the principles and operation.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity is-style-wide\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h5 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-1\" style=\"color:#f70000\">Please Note: The content here is provided as general advice and information and is not specific to YOU or YOUR vehicle.<br>It should be used at your risk, is not warranted or guaranteed in any way and we are not liable for any losses or damage that might occur.<br>If this is not acceptable to you and you do not agree to this, do not read any further.<\/h5>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity is-style-wide\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Common Questions<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-group has-global-padding is-content-justification-left is-layout-constrained wp-container-core-group-is-layout-69d0b17a wp-block-group-is-layout-constrained\">\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Q. What Voltage does the VSDR run at? have you a 48V version?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\" style=\"font-style:italic;font-weight:400\">A.  We can supply a 12V or 24V VSDR.  There are no plans to release a 48V version.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-text-color has-alpha-channel-opacity has-background is-style-wide\" style=\"background-color:#4616f3;color:#4616f3\"\/>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-group has-global-padding is-content-justification-left is-layout-constrained wp-container-core-group-is-layout-69d0b17a wp-block-group-is-layout-constrained\">\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Q. Does the VSDR do any voltage conversion?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\" style=\"font-style:italic;font-weight:400\">A.  No.  The VSDR operates on the same nominal voltage on both sides e.g. 12V OR 24V, and not a mix.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-text-color has-alpha-channel-opacity has-background is-style-wide\" style=\"background-color:#4616f3;color:#4616f3\"\/>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-group has-global-padding is-content-justification-left is-layout-constrained wp-container-core-group-is-layout-69d0b17a wp-block-group-is-layout-constrained\">\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Q. The VSDR is just a relay, isn&#8217;t it?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\" style=\"font-style:italic;font-weight:400\">A.  VSDR stands for &#8220;Voltage Sending Disconnect Relay&#8221;, so yes it is a Relay.  But it is a relay whose operation is controlled by highly accurate microprocessor controlled and programmable circuitry.   The settings are tuned carefully to work with LiFePO4 Lithium Batteries and their distinct operating parameters.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-text-color has-alpha-channel-opacity has-background is-style-wide\" style=\"background-color:#4616f3;color:#4616f3\"\/>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-group has-global-padding is-content-justification-left is-layout-constrained wp-container-core-group-is-layout-69d0b17a wp-block-group-is-layout-constrained\">\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Q. LiFePo4?   Can&#8217;t I use any other Lithium-Ion batteries?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\" style=\"font-style:italic;font-weight:400\">A.  The VSDRs parameters are setup for LiFePO4 (aka LFP).  We do not recommend or support any other type of Lithium Battery technology with the VSDR Lithium Controller.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-text-color has-alpha-channel-opacity has-background is-style-wide\" style=\"background-color:#4616f3;color:#4616f3\"\/>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-group has-global-padding is-content-justification-left is-layout-constrained wp-container-core-group-is-layout-69d0b17a wp-block-group-is-layout-constrained\">\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Q. I see you have a bunch of Victron Monitors. Do I need to have these as well to  use the VSDR?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\" style=\"font-style:italic;font-weight:400\">A.  No, absolutely not.   I have the Victron BMVs so I can monitor the performance of the Hybrid bank to check it is doing exactly what I expect it to be doing. I did this so you don&#8217;t have to! They are purely monitors and do not control the working of the VSDR unit.  <strong>The VSDR is a fully-standalone unit <\/strong>and does not require any external control.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-text-color has-alpha-channel-opacity has-background is-style-wide\" style=\"background-color:#4616f3;color:#4616f3\"\/>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-group has-global-padding is-content-justification-left is-layout-constrained wp-container-core-group-is-layout-69d0b17a wp-block-group-is-layout-constrained\">\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Q. So I need nothing else than your VSDR if I want to add Lithium to a Lead Bank?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\" style=\"font-style:italic;font-weight:400\">A.  You do need a way to monitor the Lithium Batteries State of Charge (SOC), but this is no different a situation than if you were switching over from Lead to Lithium. Many Lithium batteries now have internal BMSes that include a SOC Monitor, or you could add a device like a Victron BMV or Smartshunt that will perform that role.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-text-color has-alpha-channel-opacity has-background is-style-wide\" style=\"background-color:#4616f3;color:#4616f3\"\/>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-group has-global-padding is-content-justification-left is-layout-constrained wp-container-core-group-is-layout-69d0b17a wp-block-group-is-layout-constrained\">\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Q. Lead and Lithium run at different voltages.  What about power surges when the VSDR connects and they are different?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\" style=\"font-style:italic;font-weight:400\">A.  There could be a &#8216;surge&#8217; of power, but bearing in mind batteries are there to provide power surges I don&#8217;t see this as an issue.   Take the fitting of a Victron 12\/3000 Multiplus inverter\/charger, a very popular device.  When its inverter kicks in, there is a surge of power pulled from the battery which could exceed 200A. When the charger comes on, there is upto a 120A current going into the battery.   Are these power surges in OR out a problem for the battery?<br>Also, note the voltage differential is actually very small on reconnection in normal operations &#8211; the Lithium will be at 13.2-13.3V and the VSDR reconnects when the Lead\/Habitation side is at 13.41V, so less than 0.2V differential and the realistic &#8216;surge&#8217; experienced is tiny.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-text-color has-alpha-channel-opacity has-background is-style-wide\" style=\"background-color:#4616f3;color:#4616f3\"\/>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-group has-global-padding is-content-justification-left is-layout-constrained wp-container-core-group-is-layout-69d0b17a wp-block-group-is-layout-constrained\">\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Q. Do I need a different charger with a Lithium Profile?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\" style=\"font-style:italic;font-weight:400\">A.  No. This is actually one of the great things about the Hybrid System when running a VSDR.  The VSDR disconnects the Lithium from the Charging System (which is on the Lead side) when the voltage hits a pre-determined value.  That value happens to be at the point where the Lithium is between 99-100% full.  This prevents the Lithium from receiving a higher Charge voltage (which is what Lead needs) or sitting with a Float Voltage (which is what Lead likes but Lithium does not).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-text-color has-alpha-channel-opacity has-background is-style-wide\" style=\"background-color:#4616f3;color:#4616f3\"\/>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-group has-global-padding is-content-justification-left is-layout-constrained wp-container-core-group-is-layout-69d0b17a wp-block-group-is-layout-constrained\">\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Q. So my existing charger is good?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\" style=\"font-style:italic;font-weight:400\">A.  In terms of charging profiles, sure, as long as it can reach over 14.2V Charge Voltage.   You might need to consider if it has the &#8216;oommph&#8217; to charge a larger capacity battery bank, but that would be the same consideration if you were just switching to Lithium 100%.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-text-color has-alpha-channel-opacity has-background is-style-wide\" style=\"background-color:#4616f3;color:#4616f3\"\/>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-group has-global-padding is-content-justification-left is-layout-constrained wp-container-core-group-is-layout-69d0b17a wp-block-group-is-layout-constrained\">\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Q. Because Lithium and Lead sit at different voltages, doesn&#8217;t the Lead end up sucking all the energy out the Lithium?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\" style=\"font-style:italic;font-weight:400\">A.  This is an interesting point and a common question. Lithium sits at around 13.2V;  Lead sits at around 12.7V when full but actually (unlike Lithium) actually prefers to have a bit of a float voltage on it. So the mere fact that the Lithium is causing the Lead to sit at a higher voltage is a win for the Lead and its service life.<br>If the Lead is in reasonable condition, the actual current going between the two is minimal and even of that minimal current only a small percentage is actually &#8216;lost&#8217;.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-text-color has-alpha-channel-opacity has-background is-style-wide\" style=\"background-color:#4616f3;color:#4616f3\"\/>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-group has-global-padding is-content-justification-left is-layout-constrained wp-container-core-group-is-layout-69d0b17a wp-block-group-is-layout-constrained\">\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Q. Other devices used on a Hybrid Bank seem much more complex and &#8216;featured&#8217;.  Why is yours just a relay?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\" style=\"font-style:italic;font-weight:400\">A.  I cannot speak for the alternative options that may be available.   The VSDR was developed to serve a very specific purpose &#8211; that being a highly controlled disconnect and reconnection of two dissimilar battery technologies &#8211; and I believe it performs that role very well and precisely as expected. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-text-color has-alpha-channel-opacity has-background is-style-wide\" style=\"background-color:#4616f3;color:#4616f3\"\/>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-buttons is-layout-flex wp-block-buttons-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-button\"><a class=\"wp-block-button__link has-text-color has-background has-link-color has-border-color wp-element-button\" href=\"https:\/\/1961.org.uk\/testit\/posts\/hybrid-battery-bank-vsdr-lithium-controller\/\" style=\"border-color:#ff0000;border-style:solid;border-width:2px;border-radius:100px;color:#2200fd;background-color:#78696900\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Back to VSDR Page<\/a><\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>This Page accompanies the Hybrid Battery Bank discussion series and provides greater detail on the VSDR Lithium Controller.  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